I want to apologize if I come across as a bit extreme in this topic. It’s just that the Word of the Year 2023 is enshittification. I simply want to prevent my beloved Clozemaster from letting itself get steered into destruction by clueless casual users. Too many other services I loved went down that path. (Replace “clueless users” with “greedy shareholders” or “project managers who care more about their promotion than delivering a good product” in those other cases.)
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I’m with you davidculley;-)
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@Floria7
You probably don’t remember, but you once advocated gamification and even seemed to force your preference to a gamification hater here.
My point is that people use the term “gamification” in different ways, and some are overreacting to the term without analyzing the details. Why don’t you just respect others’ different learning styles, and just care about whether Clozemaster will give us an option to opt out from new gamification features?
@mike and all users,
As a new “challenge” system proposed by Mike, how about the number of new words you’ve learned?
I’ve already walked myself through all of the Most Common Words Collections. Since then, I’ve been adding new sentences to my personal collections while reviewing MCWCs. But I have to admit that recently I put less effort than I used to do so into MCWCs. That is probably because the bar charts of MCWCs are all green (100%). And as @morbrorper pointed out, the higher your point level goes up, the less frequently you move up to the next level.
If Clozemaster could count the number of new words - both in MCWCs or other ready-made collections AND personal collections, that might give (some of) us a real sense of achievement and encourage them to share new sentences/cloze words with other users.
The number of sentences you played/mastered as well as points earned don’t indicate your language proficiency. But the vocabulary size does - by borrowing the great phrase from morbrorper, the vocab size is a right metric for rewarding one’s quality.
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Hi MsFixer. Ah, no way, 'fraid you have misunderstood me. I merely supported a couple of seconds of lighthearted congratulations upon leveling up. A totally different kettle of fish to all sorts of Duo-type gamification. You will perhaps note from my other posts that Billy Joel and I both emphasised “don’t go changing”
And of course I respect the needs of others, particularly as suggested by morbrorper, how sad that you should accuse me of not doing so, I merely add my own thoughts like everybody else. Never mind, cordiali saluti, and have a good day.
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Well, I find Clozemaster boring compared to Duolingo, because I’m not able to stay for long periods like 4h~6hs as I used to do on Duolingo. 1h gets me bored and sucked, though I feel I learn A LOT more of content in Clozemaster (obs: I only use Listening > Transcribe mode).
I respect your experience, but frankly, that’s like saying:
After sprinting 400 meters I feel much more exhausted than after strolling for 4–6 hours through the park, therefore sprinting is boring, even though my fitness improves much better when I sprint as fast as I can for as long as I can (high-intensity training) than when I’m just walking aimlessly through the neighborhood.
Clozemaster trains your recall memory whereas Duolingo trains only your recognition memory. Recalling is much more mentally taxing — that’s why it’s called active recall in “learning how to learn” courses — and precisely because it’s more mentally taxing is it the more effective learning strategy.
You want to feel sucked out of energy after a training session. Or rather, it’s a good sign to feel mentally exhausted after studying because only then was it effective. If an hour is enough to feel exhausted, then an hour is enough. Same as you can’t sprint 10 kilometers at your absolute highest speed, only 50 meters, 100 meters or 400 meters, depending on your fitness level.
Confusing being exhausted after a taxing but effective/rewarding study session with claiming that Clozemaster were boring is a disservice to Clozemaster (and its more serious users who would suffer under a potential gamification).
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@Roberto.Melgaco
What makes Duolingo more attractive and Clozemaster more boring? Please give us more details.
Maybe you just wanted to vent. But I opened this topic to get constructive feedbacks and let the developer know feasible solutions for better service
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I don’t know. Maybe you don’t feel you’re doing the same thing for long periods of time?
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