Lui ci ha portati in stazione.

Sentence Discussions Italian
#1
English Translation

He led us to the station.

Would it be wrong to say : “Lui ci ha portato in stazione”? If not wrong, what is the difference between the two?

#2

The past participle needs to match the direct object pronoun when it precedes the verb, so here it is plural. You could say: “Lui mi ha portato in stazione,” if “mi” were a male person.

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#3

I think both versions are valid, though CM does seem to prefer that we match gender and plurality.

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#4

Thank you for your replies! Glad to know that both versions are valid, because only one makes sense to me now. I have to get used to the other. Thanks again!

#5

I am not quite sure about “mi” part to be male only. Again, I could be wrong.

#6

If it were said of myself (a woman) it would be: “Lui mi ha portata in stazione.”

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#7

Both versions would NOT be valid for the pronouns mi/ti/lo/la. In those cases the ending of the past participle must match the direct object pronoun. I think it’s optional only for ci and vi, but not sure.

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#8

I found this similar topic: Mi ha colpita due volte. .

I think the conclusion is that it’s optional in first and second person.

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#9

Yes, I think that’s right. The Treccani link I posted seems oddly slow, so I’ll reproduce here;

Nel caso di verbi composti con l’ausiliare avere , in presenza di complemento oggetto anteposto costituito da un pronome personale, la norma lascia piena libertà di scelta sia per quanto riguarda il genere ( ti ho vista e ti ho visto sono sullo stesso piano di legittimità, così come quando mi hai chiamata e quando mi hai chiamato ,anche se il pronome designa una persona di sesso femminile), sia per quanto riguarda il numero, per i pronomi di prima e seconda persona plurale ( lui ci ha salutati e lui ci ha salutato ; grazie per averci seguiti e grazie per averci seguito ; vi ha visti al bar e vi ha visto al bar ; ma lui li ha salutati , non * lui li ha salutato ; grazie per averli seguiti , non * grazie per averli seguito ,ecc.).

You’ll see at the end there that it has to agree when third person plural.

Another link (hopefully faster to open than the first).

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#10

Thank you — I was struggling to remember which were optional.

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